the_suicide_fox: 1. Dude, your supposed to be my friend. Why are you ****ting on me like this? We are pals dude. We extended a fair offer to you guys to join with us and you turn around and start demanding all this **** thats just not gonna happen. You guys wanted us to give you OUR venues, OUR equipment, OUR advertising so YOU can run a piece of **** event and we only get 25%. Dude thats not how business works. Yes we don't have to pay for rent anymore, but we do still have a ****load of other expenses. Putting this **** on professionally isn't free. 2. Just because our last 2 events didnt do so well doesn't mean anything. We were pulling 30-40 ppl an event back in June and May in ****ing Dover NJ, when you guys were just keeping up with us in NYC. Dude once we get proper advertising we WILL be getting 50 ppl an event I guarentee you. The 20th event was a flop bc we didn't have a July event and that threw ppl off. NYC wasn't big bc listen to this : NO ADVERTISING. We had no flyers out, I posted the **** 3 days before the event on smashboards, and We had 2 events prior to that. We learned our lesson and now we made it 2 events of smash per month max. 3. Entry fee was a little high I agree, but dude it took me forever to get it down to 20$ which is the usual tournament entry for most events. And unlike gauntlet when we payout we don't have to go " Oh **** they kicked us out, ok everyone still in it gets some $" thats not how **** works dude. Its a tournament meaning those who actually win get the cash, not the 10 ppl left bc you lost your venue. 4. Our events are way more professional than yours are. You guys rely on everyone else to bring ****, and most of it is junk tvs and cubes that dont work. At least our **** works and works well. 5. And finally, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW WHY THEY STARTED GAUNTLET. It's so this greedy ******* Wes can earn easy cash by tricking ppl into coming to what they think is a "fair" tournament only to have their money taken from them anyway. Don't go ****ting on me bc u have a problem with Rod. If you wanna talk about this like adults instead of slandering each other with bs then aim me. PS. You wanna play hard ball ok everyone read this:: KOTC WILL BE HAVING POTBUSTER EVENTS FOR SMASH UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR. THIS MEANS ANY $ TAKEN IN FOR SMASH GOES OUT TO THE WINNERS, NO BS. njmaddenballer: Low This is truly the LOWEST of the LOW and this has no place on the boards. This was between WES and I but now he is trying to hurt Joe and it is not right and down right SLIMY. 1 First of all this guy steps to me behind Joes back and offers me 25% for my company, when we supply the venue, the cubes, the TVS and it THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. 2 The dude says Joe can work with them, WHAT TYPE OF FRIEND IS THAT man SUPER LOW. 3 This guy FEELS THAT HIM BEING at an event will make or BREAK things. This guy does not even have a JOB and he wants to live off of smashers. That is NOT RIGHT and SMASHERS are not FOOLS. 4 For any community to GROW we need MORE PEOPLE and that's what we are about, the guy wants to form an ELITIST GROUP led by HIMSELF run events and TAKE GAMERS MONEY. 5 Since we were going to NYC my solution lets combine the EVENTS have one big event this way the SMASHERS would not have to pay 2 entries. Our rent in Dover was $700 including Insurance. So we needed to get to $700 JUST TO GET TO ZERO. That's why we did the 50-50 split BECAUSE WE HAD TO. We set up the night before, rent TVS, Hire people, run websites to give WES all the money so he can go back and BACK STAB !!! No WAY ! All of our events were BASED ON GAMERS beacuse neither Joe nor I can come out of Pocket to pay $700 Rent each month before the event even started. 6 JOE ALWAYS advocated for the GAMERS and WES takes his issues with me and tries to BURRY JOE ALIVE. That is the LOWEST thing I have ever SEEN and straight up HATEFUL. 7 Now that we are in Bennigan's thing going and we changed so the payout system, Thank's to JOE. 8 WES is a STREET CON ARTIST that was trying to TAKE ME FOR A RIDE and he got mad that I would not ACCEPT 25% so HE could TAKE OVER WHAT JOE STARTED. That's UNREAL !!! 9 This guy tried to SMEAR MLGS name a few months ago and he is POISON ! 10 Ask yourself this has JOE EVER, EVER tried to screw someone? Then ask yourself that same question about WES. 11 In Dover we had RENT TO PAY, WE support 3 websites, we hire 5 workers per event and we are HONEST. OUR GOAL is not to SET UP people like bowling Pins as Wes has done. 12 As I said to WES via IM , we are coming to NY, we will get new blood if need be and we are going to GROW. This guy wants to continally expect people to COME TO EVENTS TO SEE HIM. People are not that NAIVE WES you are a human just like the rest of us. If people view you as a GOD, then I dont want them at our events ! 13 YOU TRIED TO CUT A GOOD MAN's THROAT and it IS WRONG. 14 I know that there are good people in this community and what you did here against JOE was as low as you can possibly every go. 15 Finally if getting money is so important to you, why don't you get a job like the rest of us. You should spend more time learning how to read and write rather than cutting a friend's THROAT ! Rod DAlegendarysamus: Lol Yall Funny Ppl Look Joe I Am Sorry I Am Not Trying To Stab You In The Back At All Its Rod I Am After Man. Ne And Da Dont Like How He Runs Things At All, Also Rod I Have A Job Lol And I Go To Skool I Dont Have A Side Job Liek Yourself As A "busniessman" Lol. Lol Joe Why U Go And Talk About Equipment And **** Lol I Am Sorry We Are Not Sponsered By Gamestop And Etc. All I Am Saying Is That Your Boy Rod Is A Snake Man Period And Me Doign This Is Not A Result Of Rod Not Taking My Offer I Gave Him. Who Was The Ones Bothering Us To Join Them Cause Of The Compettion We Gave Yall With Our Crappy Tvs And **** Lol. So What If We Had To Leave The Place Early As Least Everyone Left Happen Wiht Money Ppl In All Places From 1st To 5th, Not Only 1st Places Getting 100 And Second A Coupon Lol Or 50 Dollars No Matter How Many Ppl Come. Like I Am About To Say Da Dont Need To Team Up With Yall At All We Not Going To Kiss Any Of Yall *****. Who Was The Ones Asking Me Adn Blaine To Join Them Lol Saying "think About It Wes You Will Be Imfamous". So That Statement Me Saying That I Am God And **** Liek That Is Crazy I Dont Say **** About I Am God. I Also I Can Read And Write Man I Would Not Be In College Right Now With A 4.0 Average If Not Lol Its Hard To Beleive But Dont Matter. Just Like Its Hard For Me To Believe That You Are A Busniessman I Hope You Don Thave A Degree In Busniess Because U Need Ot Rip That **** Up Or Go Back And Freshen Your Memory On Things You Dont Know **** About Running A Busniess Your Lossing To A Bunch Of "black Kids" With "junk Tvs" Thats Said Lol. And I Wish I Had A Recorder Cause Whom Was The Ones Also Saying That Want To Take Out Mlg And Blow Them Out Of The Water Lol Was It Kotc I Dont Know You Tell Me. Joe I Am Not Trying To Be You Enemy Or Anything Like That I Am Your Freind But Your Boy Rod Is Just ****ign With Your Mind With His Busniess Man Approach Which Is Bs To Me. And Also Rod How Is Me And Da And Joe Coming Together And Holding Our Smash Tourneis In Your Venue And U Just Taking 25% Isnt A Good Deal When You Dont Have To Pay Rent On Teh Place So From Us Your Gettign Free Money Man. If I Had Alot More Fundings I Would Tear And Asswhole In Yall Worse Then What We Are Doign Now We Are Not Sleepign On Yall At All Like I Said See Yall I The Runnings We Have More Plans To Get Ppl So Dont Worry About That Man Like An Unwiseman Said "see You In 4 Months" Lol. Corporations And Companys Ran By Fake Busniess Men **** Fan-based Tourneys Are The Best If I Have Offended You Joe I Am Sorry Man But Your Boy Rod Just Set Me Off. Man So We Have To Go To War Thats The Only Way Man Cause He Threatened To Take Us Out If We Dont Join Yall And Say We Are Not Going To Be Able To Compete With Yall In 4months What Type Of **** Is That Me And My Ppl Are Not Going Ot Have That **** Please I Dont Take **** From Noone Dont Care How Big Or Small. See Rod I Told U U Would Not Like What I Was Going To Do Lol, I Am Sorry I May Not Seem Liek A Smart Person Or Talk Like It But Looks Can Be Decieving Just Like It Seemed Liek To Me That You Were A Busniessman But Deep Down Inside You Are Not Lol All You Care About Is The Money Lol And Numbers, Gamers Are Just Numbers To U. What Number I Am I Rod #23435364366532 Lol. Like I Am Going To Say Dont Sleep On Da Boy Looks Can Be Deceiving Man It Can Lol And Once Again Joe I Am Sorry For This But Ron Is A Greedy *******. He Is Just Mad I Put Him On Blast Thats All So Everyone Who Is With Me Post It And Whom Ever Is Against Me Post It Cause I Want To Hear What The People Thing About All Of This. And Ron Go Back To Skool Registration For Classes End By Sometime Next Wee Your Still Have Time To Get That Busniess Degree. It Should Not Be Hard For You To Pass Your A Busniessman Lol. Let Me Stop Battering This Guy Lol Sorry The Ol Mighty Njballer Lol njmaddenballer: Low You are LOW, you are a CON MAN, you are JOBLESS. Wes don't sit here and say you are Joes Friend because no one does a friend like that. Your beef is with me and it should have stayed that way. The truth of the matter is that once we came to NYC, there was a problem. There is a problem because you are afraid of competition. So you go on a smear campaign. MAN UP ! Run your events but to try to tell a community not to go to a community event (smash is already small) is disgusting and it shows your true colors. You tried to blackball MLG in a similar way months ago, you are developing a pattern. Think about it YOU ARE THE ONLY GUY IN THE NATION that runs monthly events, plays in them and WINS THEM. LOL That is a HUSTLE and you are a HUSTLER. That 4.0 GPA is a tall tail so I won't get into that at all. I have an offer for you slime ball. Since you are so into it for the SMASHERS Why don't you run the GAUNLET but not play in it? As a matter of fact do it for 3 or 4 months. YOU WON'T Beacuse that's your scam. You tell people we have lower pay ins, higher payouts etc WHEN YOU POCKET THE HOUSE FEES and YOU WIN THE PAYOUTS LOL. How long are people going to be paying your rent kid? This is how you support yourself and soon as I mentioned that I wanted to SPREAD THE WEALTH ...ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO win YOU WENT BALLISITC ...Why because you can't get a job and hustling smashers is your means of support. Take my offer WES run the events and LET someone OUT OF YOUR CIRCLE WIN IT. That's what we do every month WES because we are honest. You are not slick and people are not blind. the_suicide_fox: Wes if you were my friend you wouldn't be saying **** like " Don't goto anymore KOTC events" Bc thats attacking me and what I have worked so hard for the last 8 months. You may have your quarrels with Rod but take them up with him in private. Don't go slandering my **** bc you have a problem with him. Bc he didn't do anything for me besides give me an opportunity. All the planning, rules, brackets, money issues, that was all me trying to make things better for you guys. So I understand where you are coming from but honestly it upsets me you would post this **** and all. Like ok its ok to not come yourself if you have a problem, but to tell ppl not to come is BS. And the reason I wanted to join with you guys so bad is bc I didn't want all this fighting to happen. I wanted to give you guys an opportunity like Rod gave me, and you turned it around and started to demand ****. Like yea we take %50 but we are a business. We have to earn money somehow to support this stuff, it doesn't come outta the sky. And %50 isnt that bad. We could take it all and give out 100 bucks to first, but we don't. And just because you guys give out 75% doesn't mean we should. We try to be fair to gamers while being fair to ourselves. Remember this is going to be MY career. I can't make a living by taking in only %25. I would be living in poverty running tournaments. This is a business and we do what we have to. And Tranquil... I run a dedicated smash tourny. It's all me for smash I do it all (with my gf's help) So to say that we run a jack of all trades tourny is wrong, bc we each specialize in our games. njmaddenballer: Hey Wes Run the gauntlet, don't play in it. Don't have your people play in it. Let others play and win. YOU WILL NEVER DO THAT YOU CON MAN !!!! That way you wont get your 75% You are the lowest. ONLY DUDE IN THE NATION THAT PLAYS IN HIS EVENTS. Let's end this CON GAME ! Do it like it supposed to be done WES, Why do you play in YOUR OWN EVENTS? WHILE KEEPING THE HOUSE FEE and THE WINNINGS? LOL how many have you won WES 7, 8 9 ???????? Thats 75 % to you WES ..................Oh how Greedy you are, Slime Ball X Japan: Quote: ------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by the_suicide_fox 5. And finally, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW WHY THEY STARTED GAUNTLET. It's so this greedy ******* Wes can earn easy cash by tricking ppl into coming to what they think is a "fair" tournament only to have their money taken from them anyway. ------------------------------------------------------- aight wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow. this is not my batman glass. seriously now. aight 1st off thats not true Joe. since it was I who came up with the idea for the Gauntlet since their was a tourney drout in NY after S4C Vol.02 which me, Wes, and Ron saved after no one came for teams and Dave said f*%k this I'm never running tournies again. I start this **** since it was the only time when all of DA was is their having fun, it was the only time I was able to hang out with all my friends. After doing the 2nd Gauntlet it became more than just hanging out with my DA friends. I did it for the tourney feel and having everying I meet over the years of playing this game. I know a lot of ppl because of the Gauntlet like PC, MoFo, THS, D1 and his ppl, and others. So don't be talking the bullsh!t that you don't the whole story. Also if it was about the $$then y Wes was going to use Mario this Gauntlet. Yes we do have to rely on other ppl and some of the equipment is sh!tty, but if I'm able to run a 1v1 tourney with 40ppl within 5 hours on that sh!tty then so be it. As long as it works I don't give a f*&k. Also the only ppl we have to rely on is Chris and Wes for their TVs and thats 2 ppl i know who if i need a TV i can get it for the day. NJballer even though I never really meet you. you make me want to vomit with rage. 1st off when Wes told me about how you appached his and feed him all that mess about how "We going to run all over Gauntlet in the long run!". What kind of sh!t is that? Then you just tell him that we just want you f*^k the other 7-9 guys. Gauntlet is a "DA" run event. IF you want Wes then you take everyone since its DA who help run the event not just Wes. Then you don't talk too everyone in DA to see how we feel about this. You d@mn sure didn't talk to me. DA been had NY since forever and we want new blood too come and try to take us out. Sh!t we had some unknown DK player from the bronx who near been to a gauntlet and if the tourney was finish cold have rither got 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. By you saying KotC is going to Run over Gauntlet in the long run means you don't give a sh!t about the gamers who go to these events. I give a **** cuz I know how it is. if someone got a question I'm the one who answer the sh!t. If someone don't have the $20 and I know they good for it I work it out with them. I do sh!t not many ppl do and I put up with most the sh!t. I don't even play the F*@KING GAME ANYMORE!!!! and I and the rest of DA don't get paid for it. So don't be actting all high and mighty cuz you older than me and Wes. I know what my friends want. I know what the ppl want. TO BE CONCULDE. . . . . . . . . . cuz I got to do some sh!t right now. i want to finish this sh!t. njmaddenballer: Hey try this, to prove me wrong I have an idea? Run the gauntlet, don't play in it. Don't have your people play in it. Let others play and win. YOU WILL NEVER DO THAT YOU CON MAN !!!! That way you wont get your 75% You are the lowest. ONLY DUDE IN THE NATION THAT PLAYS IN HIS EVENTS. Let's end this CON GAME ! Do it like it supposed to be done WES, Why do you play in YOUR OWN EVENTS? WHILE KEEPING THE HOUSE FEE and THE WINNINGS? LOL how many have you won WES 7, 8 9 ???????? Thats 75 % to you WES ..................Oh how Greedy you are, Slime Ball the_suicide_fox: Alrite Blaine I'm sorry I said that about why you guys started but Wes reallyu pushed my buttons posting this **** and saying don't goto anymore KOTC events. Dude I would NEVER EVER say that to someone about you guys. Even if you had the sh!ttiest of sh!t equipment and took 24 hours to finish and it was the worst tourny ever I wouldn't say that. I just think thats wrong for him to try and destroy something I have tried so hard to build. And I understand Rod was a little harsh, he gets like that sometimes. But to take it out on me PUBLICLY is wrong. I'm your friend and it really hurt me that Wes would say that. If you guys didn't want to join thats fine we will just have to deal with each others competition. And I understand it's all of DA helping, but who is it really doing all the dirty work? Blaine and Wes. The rest of DA may HELP, but they don't put in the effort of you 2. That's why we wanted just you guys. BC when you bring 7 people into the mix **** will hit the fan. Again I'm sorry I said that, but I just feel like I was betrayed by a good friend. njmaddenballer: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by the_suicide_fox Alrite Blaine I'm sorry I said that about why you guys started but Wes reallyu pushed my buttons posting this **** and saying don't goto anymore KOTC events. Dude I would NEVER EVER say that to someone about you guys. Even if you had the sh!ttiest of sh!t equipment and took 24 hours to finish and it was the worst tourny ever I wouldn't say that. I just think thats wrong for him to try and destroy something I have tried so hard to build. And I understand Rod was a little harsh, he gets like that sometimes. But to take it out on me PUBLICLY is wrong. I'm your friend and it really hurt me that Wes would say that. If you guys didn't want to join thats fine we will just have to deal with each others competition. And I understand it's all of DA helping, but who is it really doing all the dirty work? Blaine and Wes. The rest of DA may HELP, but they don't put in the effort of you 2. That's why we wanted just you guys. BC when you bring 7 people into the mix **** will hit the fan. Again I'm sorry I said that, but I just feel like I was betrayed by a good friend. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe for your sake I am done. If you boys want to sling mud let's do it privately. The board stuff was a real beeeatch move by Wes real beatch. What type of man goes public to hurt his boy like that? What type of man tells people not to attend another event? Very shady. and Wrong X Japan: Quote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by njmaddenballer Joe for your sake I am done. If you boys want to sling mud let's do it privately. The board stuff was a real beeeatch move by Wes real beatch. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- what no coment towards me. No! you not getting away. Its not going to be that easy. You F*%ked with my family an I'm upset now. Very upset. You wanted to take sh!t to the next level when you said "We going to run over Gauntlet in the long run!" is that not what you said. As I see it we have a problem and its going to get resloved one way or the other and as I see it DA runs more water than you guys. None of this behide close doors bullsh!t since this is how it got started in the 1st place. You send Joe to talk to me and at least he's straight with me and I know him, but you I don't know you. You just came into the game thinking it was all business and all of us are stupid and you can bend us over and f*#k us in the a$$ like its OZ. Well I'd like to get kissed before I get ****ed and you just tryed to f*$k me and thats not kool. me, DA, and the rest of the the smash community. . . . no the gaming community as a whole is not f*^king dollar signs. We are f*#king ppl man and Fan-run tournament has a right too. VIVA NAPLE!!!!!!! to be conculde. . . . . . njmaddenballer: Quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by X Japan what no coment towards me. No! you not getting away. Its not going to be that easy. You F*%ked with my family an I'm upset now. Very upset. You wanted to take sh!t to the next level when you said "We going to run over Gauntlet in the long run!" is that not what you said. As I see it we have a problem and its going to get resloved one way or the other and as I see it DA runs more water than you guys. None of this behide close doors bullsh!t since this is how it got started in the 1st place. You send Joe to talk to me and at least he's straight with me and I know him, but you I don't know you. You just came into the game thinking it was all business and all of us are stupid and you can bend us over and f*#k us in the a$$ like its OZ. Well I'd like to get kissed before I get ****ed and you just tryed to f*$k me and thats not kool. me, DA, and the rest of the the smash community. . . . no the gaming community as a whole is not f*^king dollar signs. We are f*#king ppl man and Fan-run tournament has a right too. VIVA NAPLE!!!!!!! to be conculde. . . . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We wanted to combine the BOY SAID NO. WE LET IT GO. THEN HE CAME BACK AT ME WITH A PROPOSAL. Did you know he imed me with the 25% stuff or did you not. Don't be silly man, the answer was no and we left it alone. THE LAST REQUEST CAME FROM YOUR MAN !!!! Read it he POSTED it. Don't sit here and be an anus DUDE ! HE CAME BACK TO US and you know it. DIDN"T YOU READ HIS POST LOL ...You should be mad at HIM for cutting SIDE DEALS LOL njmaddenballer: I Propose this If they do this my opinion will really change. I KNOW WHATS GOING ON IF THEY ARE REALLY IN IT FOR THE COMMUNITY THIS WOULD BE NO PROBLEM. I AWAIT A REPLY Run the gauntlet, don't play in it. Don't have your people play in it. Let others play and win. YOU WILL NEVER DO THAT YOU CON MAN !!!! That way you wont get your 75% ONLY DUDE IN THE NATION THAT PLAYS IN HIS EVENTS. Let's end this CON GAME ! Do it like it supposed to be done WES, Why do you play in YOUR OWN EVENTS? WHILE KEEPING THE HOUSE FEE and THE WINNINGS? LOL how many have you won WES 7, 8 9 ???????? Thats 75 % to you WES chillindude829: njmaddenballer, that reasoning doesn't make much sense. It's not like the money for winning is guaranteed to him, it's not as though the rules are unfairly skewed in his favor, or he is given purposely easy brackets. If M3D won all the MLGs, could anybody complain? Besides, if I went to a Gauntlet, I'd want to play Wes in the bracket, otherwise it wouldn't be as fun. njmaddenballer: Well Since the dude is trying to label people as greedy etc. As a show of good faith I think this would be the best way to show his intetions. He will never do it because his goal is to accumulate the biggest amounts of money that he can. There is nothing wrong at all with spreading the wealth a little. Running events and playing in them on a consistant basis is frowned upon in many tournament communities. If the guy is genuine and not about total personal gain, he would simply run the events like every one else does with out playing and collecting money. It's all about the MONEY. Any ways I will let this issue go, but if the guy was sincere he will take my offer and run a fair event WHERE THE HOST DOES NOT PLAY IN IT. X Japan: Quote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by njmaddenballer If they do this my opinion will really change. I KNOW WHATS GOING ON IF THEY ARE REALLY IN IT FOR THE COMMUNITY THIS WOULD BE NO PROBLEM. I AWAIT A REPLY Run the gauntlet, don't play in it. Don't have your people play in it. Let others play and win. YOU WILL NEVER DO THAT YOU CON MAN !!!! That way you wont get your 75% ONLY DUDE IN THE NATION THAT PLAYS IN HIS EVENTS. Let's end this CON GAME ! Do it like it supposed to be done WES, Why do you play in YOUR OWN EVENTS? WHILE KEEPING THE HOUSE FEE and THE WINNINGS? LOL how many have you won WES 7, 8 9 ???????? Thats 75 % to you WES ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No you dealing with ME NOW!!! OMG are you serious? every Fan-run tournament i've been to the tourney host has been it. sh!t every the tournies I haven't been the host has paid out of his pocket for the entry fee to enter. i'm name them the TG series, BIN series, FC series, Get Schooled series, MOAST series, NJ's Finezt series, the Phillyfest events, and more than i can remember. Not just smash run, but also Tekken, any of the Street Fighters, KoF, MvC2. I've been to them all and see this. Why they enter? To see where their skills are, to enjoy themselves, whatever the reason they enter. Wes winning 7-9??? Thats news to me. Wes's not the god you think. As I recall he lost S4C Vol.2 and Gauntlet Ep4. He also been sent to the losers many times over. You don't even come to our events so you shouldn't be even saying sh!t. Also its not 75% since the pot is split up 2 different times so we can pay for renting the place and then to pay the players for their efforts. At Gauntlet no one has it easy NO ONE not even Wes. As I said before "You just came into the game thinking it was all business and all of us are stupid and you can bend us over and f*#k us in the a$$ like its OZ. Well I'd like to get kissed before I get ****ed and you just tryed to f*$k me and thats not kool." by what you post you just prove my point. To be conculed. . . . . . . . njmaddenballer: Oh Well ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I see you won't entertain this. it lessons your chances of taking LOOT. This is the dudes source of income. That's fine and dandy, but don't try to pretend that it's not about the money for WES. All he has to do is prove this by not ENTERING HIS OWN EVENT. If he can do so I would gain maybe a spoonful of respect for him, but that's max. I am done with this. Good luck with your events. We will continue to work hard with our events. So let's end this here. If you want to keep it going, catch me via IM. Your choice of language and continued references to body parts is repulsive and has no place on the boards. You can email me or im me if you with to continue. Until then think about what I said and if your love for the comunity is sincere, you would run events and STAY OUT OF THEM. NJMADDENBALLER@AOL.com Be well